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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know about shadows whereabouts. The last part is it that makes me angry. Especially when you say "as the excuse". You said yourself that there is no proof of the facts, but you still insist that he did it on purpose or even lied, but as I said its not unlikely that a Austrian his age has to do military service, so its more likely that its true.
We can discuss about shadow too after ive informed myself about that case, but i was only talking about the the case michimike.

Ive some things to do now, so dont wait for another reply today Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

well thanks for keeping me entertained Smile

I still stand by my point that getting someone else to take over your account there are to many risks of unfair play and advantages when a player is playing 2 accounts.
weather in the military or what ever the reason that a player can't get to play the game for many months it seems that the best chance from past knowledge to have someone to play your account for you other than the temp replacement is if you are going into military service.

Maybe there is role play going on with a character in the game, however I think many players in many games have a similar character in real life as the character they present in games.

A game I play that has a lot of staff controling what goes on and they have a game jail that they can jail and permajail players that break rule.

Look at Kosmor there is little control on what players do and rarely any checks on multis.

Here are a few examples of some of the permajailed members there are 100s more in the list but makes to big a list to add here:
goes to show how much can go on with rule breaking when it is controlled and can imagine how much worse it could be when there is very little control over it which makes it hard to trust people.

Lt. Ragnarok˛
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X
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Penookie
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(CoC) Sir Ozar
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Poisonfang
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Silly Kid
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Be back in 2010
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Vaidon
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 15:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Germany, too, and i think it is quite easy to avoid the military service today. Only two persons i know did "serve", both wanted to, one found out that it is not what he thought it would be and was transferred to civilian.

The other person had internet and home time quite often.

I also think that the 30 days should be used first obviously.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 03:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, this is pretty stupid.

The original owner of shadow's account quit at least a year ago, I can't remember the exact date.

Shadow had another account who fought for Agnari long ago. He got shot down by troja, he quit shortly after because of military service. (At least he claimed it) This is not the first time he's quit because he lost his fleet, and claimed military service..

Shadow is an American. There is several inconsistencies with his story anyways. He claims to be a 29 year old male, however in 2004 the same account made a post claiming to be a 17 year old boy. Now, mathematics isn't really my "thing" but the current year is 2010.

2010-2004=6+17=23..23<29

Lastly, Shadow has also had yet another account before this one, which got banned for having multiple accounts on a same IP address.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 05:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey there,

I don't know if what BS wrote above is entirely corect but if it is ... it's not such a big problem ( in my vision ) if he took the account from another ( I don't realy know the game's rules regarding this issue).
Important is that he not to play from 2 accounts in the same time.

If he is not corect about the military service ... again is not a "legal" problem. Only his moral integrity will suffer but this is not against the rules.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 05:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assisi the main point I feel is that players are using the going into the military service as a way to get permission for someone to take over there account for them for 1 year 2 years etc.
And the person that takes over that account has full powers to control the account and likely has his/her own account too and this gives that player access to 2 account to play.

A useful way to get around not having to use the tempory replacement system which give some restriction to what you can do on the account.
so by avoiding having to use the temp replacement system you get instead someone using your account directly which avoides having the restrictions of the temp replacement system and no time limits.
Everyone else not going into military service has to use the temp replacement system with it's restrictions and time limits, they won't get permission for someone to take over there account.


http://www.kosmor.com/forum_int/viewtopic.php?t=8838&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

http://www.kosmor.com/forum_int/viewtopic.php?t=6948&highlight=

These threads I link do not show any officail replys to them so there is nothing said by the game owner to confirm this account sharing and it is not in any rule about it.
Seems to me like it is something some players just try to get away with and many likely do it and don't inform anyone..

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 06:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aurion wrote:
I'm from Germany, too, and i think it is quite easy to avoid the military service today. Only two persons i know did "serve", both wanted to, one found out that it is not what he thought it would be and was transferred to civilian.

The other person had internet and home time quite often.

I also think that the 30 days should be used first obviously.
I talked to michimike befor he gone there, like me he wanted to try it. Razz Im so persistent because I was in the same situation and it was really impossible for me to keep my account alife on my own, but i agree that everything over the offical m-service-time is not allowed.
Also playing the other account like its a multi would make me angry as the one who does military-service. Because that would mean he would take my credits and planets as he likes, and at this point i would have talked to Maeli, but that didnt happen and i got my account "back" as it was.
If you see such extreme misuse you can still complain to Maeli.

The case about shadow seems very complicated btw.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 08:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also playing the other account like its a multi would make me angry as the one who does military-service. Because that would mean he would take my credits and planets as he likes, and at this point i would have talked to Maeli, but that didnt happen and i got my account "back" as it was.


No, you wouldn't be, as you would have allowed him to do so, like many people in Kosmor did before or are currently doing. Better then loosing it to the enemy is loosing it to a friend, if he really takes everything, and does not built *you* a fleet with *your* account.

Anyways, please take this case directly to Maelstroem, if you think it's needed, as public discussion about topics like this tend to end bad, so let's stop it before the end.


This thread will stay open for now, so you can talk about the original topic, but will be closed if needed.

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Aurion wrote:

No, you wouldn't be, as you would have allowed him to do so, like many people in Kosmor did before or are currently doing. Better then loosing it to the enemy is loosing it to a friend, if he really takes everything, and does not built *you* a fleet with *your* account.

LOL, I think I know better what i feel than you! You're talking about people who stopped playing kosmor, that wasnt the case.

About the rules. Maeli is the owner of this game, so he's the one who can make a exception if necessary.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 17:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick statement: there is no special treatment for military service - please do it with the regular temp. replacement time, buy an umts handheld with internet access nearly anywhere, sell the planets to a friendly player or leave your wp guarded by a friendly player.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 08:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry that I can't go over all the posts. Didn't had that much time the last days. Is there any problem left open concerning me?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure Maelstroem will contact you if needed. If he doesn't contact you - no problem i guess.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record: My recent post in the RPG thread, where I congratulated Michimike on forcing the Order of Templar into an enforced peace... was just role playing.

I know perfectly well that this hurts, for several reasons.

My character even knows it, but he felt the need to reassure his people so he tried to put a positive spin on things. Just house-internal propaganda, that's all. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 13:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

If so ... nice roleplay Smile

But your people may lose the trust in you when they will see that you bluffed.
I treat my own people with fairness Razz

Kidding man Smile
In the end it's a game.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 15:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're sure you didn't want to post that in the other thread?
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