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Is this the right price?
too much
55%
 55%  [ 10 ]
too little
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
just right
38%
 38%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 18

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KrustyKlown
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 21:08    Post subject: H4 Parts for sale Reply with quote

i have listed parts for 7 complete H4 with L6 parts at 20k per compomnent

I expect to list at least 3 full ships each LY

ANY bids or responses will be considered
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Grey_Wind
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 20:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK
so lots have looked

but no suggestions as to the best price to be selling at

or even the galactic norm

perhaps i'll do the maths and get back to it
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Grey_Wind
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

maths thanks to Surst and his ship costs calculator

cost of fully laden H4

credits 9140
optium 797
titanium 1162
energium 1129
plasma 951

multiply all resources by 10 (cost of mining)
7970+
11620
11290
9510
40390
so cost in credits is 50k

plus factory upkeep
M9 4050
O10 5000
T9 4050
E16 12800
P16 12800
total 38700

so costs are
38700
40390
9140
=
88230

say 90k

then the profit margin comes in

if profit is 100% - retail standard
then 20k per component adds up to 180k per ship
or 50%
is 15k per component
average cost of production is 10k per component
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Shadowmaster
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 21:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats too much to do there...lol...
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Locutus
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 09:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is this ship calculator? I tried to find the totals for a H4 and it took me a long, long, long, time because I kept on messing up.

Edit: Never mind, I found it. It should be made more well known.
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Grey_Wind
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 07:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh
just checked the costs for the manufacture again today
with one planet doing it all the upkeep alone is 90k

so that make the manufacture cost close to 135k
unless the ore prices keep going down

cheers
Steve

i think 17500 is a good number
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Merthos
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 08:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

My production costs for a H4 would be 45,952 so I doubt that you can that much.
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NobleSteve
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe he was refering to price per componant as 17500

as he states 135k for manufacture of a whole ship... but that really is cheap Merthos
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Alteron
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with Skrubber's calculations.

I have calculated some production costs earlier, at http://www.kosmor.com/forum_int/viewtopic.php?t=6601.

But those are in credits, not in raw materials as Scrubber presents. Looking at the raw-materials composition of the components needed for one fully equipped H4 Interceptor, I find the following figures:

1 H4: t:3410 + e:460 + o:265 + p:605 + #:199 + c:4000
2 D6: t:7088 + e:864 + o:312 + p:1228 + #:308 + c:1200
3 L6: t:621 + e:7095 + o:1419 + p:348 + #:405 + c:540
2 T6: t:3714 + e:1520 + o:394 + p:658 + #:242 + c:400
1 S6: t:542 + e:5405 + o:1174 + p:476 + #:312 + c:3000

Where I have the following denotations: t = titanium; e = energium; o = optium; p = plasma; # = used factory capacity; and c = credits. As you can read from the table, the numbers concern one fully equipped Interceptor, spesified to 1 H4, 2 D6, 3 L6, 2 T6 and 1 S6.

Providing that all raw materials cost you 10 credits (this is not a bad assumption as you would probably not bother building a single mine on a planet with a productivity less than 10) and factory capacity cost you 100 credits, all parts needed for the interceptor would cost you 531720 credits.

If you want to see the production cost (in credits) of each individual component, please follow the link above. If you want to know the raw materials needed for each component, you will have to look up the relevant supplies in the Lexicon and do some claculations from there.
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Grey_Wind
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 09:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps the sellers would have more luck if they read this
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Shadowmaster
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 16:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

even if everyone does read this, everyone buys and sells at different prices.
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Alteron
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 23:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is true, Shadowmaster.

One feature I would REALLY like to see implemented is standing orders on the market; define a buy- or sell-order at a set price and a set quantity. I believe this would give more power to the traders.
Now, too few imperators trade, leaving too few sales-orders on the marketplace. This increases the power of the sellers, at the cost of game-speed (i.e.: development).
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michimike
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 07:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

But this would increase the number of false orders extremly, which absurds the number of buyers (many players would make orders like 2 credits for each product, to hunt special offers at 1 credit)
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PaulAtreides
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then no one would sell at 1 cr unless they wanted to throw away money.
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michimike
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would sell at 1 if I want to sell for sure and if there are many buyers.
But it was only an example. Some try to buy for 111 Credits a product, worth 40.000.
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